“Freedom lies in being bold." – Robert Frost
My guest this week has mastered the art of leveraging entrepreneurship as a path to freedom. From growing up in an entrepreneurial family to leveraging corporate experiences to prepare for business ownership, Dr. Kimberly West has taken every opportunity to build the life of her dreams.
The gears of an entrepreneurial mind should always be turning, ticking, and constantly on the lookout for new business perspectives and opportunities. As entrepreneurs, we should make the most of our time by shaping the future of our businesses, based on our experiences as employees and business owners.
Each day brings a new lesson to learn, so what better way to reap the return on investment than by applying it to your own company?
Dr. Kimberly West is a serial entrepreneur who owns not one but three businesses: Magnum Opus Consulting, Global Gastronome, and Ms. Kim's World. She talks about her entrepreneurial journey and the challenges she faced as a woman of color.
Dr. Kimberly also shares with us some of the most beautiful countries she's been to, the art of keeping an open mind when traveling, and 'practicing' as a means of rising above your circumstances, embracing who you are regardless of your gender, status, and color, and becoming the best at what you do. Listen to learn more!
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Get to Know the Guest:
Dr. Kimberly West is a former technology evangelist for Microsoft, a certified foodie, a person who loves to travel, and the owner of several businesses namely: Global Gastronome a company that provides a hands-on culinary experience, the consulting firm Magnum Opus Consulting, and Ms. Kim’s World where she coaches CEOs, entrepreneurs, and small businesses about the latest technology, streamline, and how to grow their business.
Connect with Dr. Kimberly:
“Freedom lies in being bold." – Robert Frost
My guest this week has mastered the art of leveraging entrepreneurship as a path to freedom. From growing up in an entrepreneurial family to leveraging corporate experiences to prepare for business ownership, Dr. Kimberly West has taken every opportunity to build the life of her dreams.
The gears of an entrepreneurial mind should always be turning, ticking, and constantly on the lookout for new business perspectives and opportunities. As entrepreneurs, we should make the most of our time by shaping the future of our businesses, based on our experiences as employees and business owners.
Each day brings a new lesson to learn, so what better way to reap the return on investment than by applying it to your own company?
Dr. Kimberly West is a serial entrepreneur who owns not one but three businesses: Magnum Opus Consulting, Global Gastronome, and Ms. Kim's World. She talks about her entrepreneurial journey and the challenges she faced as a woman of color.
Dr. Kimberly also shares with us some of the most beautiful countries she's been to, the art of keeping an open mind when traveling, and 'practicing' as a means of rising above your circumstances, embracing who you are regardless of your gender, status, and color, and becoming the best at what you do. Listen to learn more!
Other resources mentioned:
Thriving Points:
Get to Know the Guest:
Dr. Kimberly West is a former technology evangelist for Microsoft, a certified foodie, a person who loves to travel, and the owner of several businesses namely: Global Gastronome a company that provides a hands-on culinary experience, the consulting firm Magnum Opus Consulting, and Ms. Kim’s World where she coaches CEOs, entrepreneurs, and small businesses about the latest technology, streamline, and how to grow their business.
Connect with Dr. Kimberly:
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Nikki Rogers: Welcome Thrivers to this week's episode of Women Thriving in Business Podcast. My guest this week is Dr. Kimberly West, who is the CEO and founder of Magnum Opus Holdings. And I'll have to say, I was really excited to talk to Kimberly because she is in an empire state of mind. And by that, I mean Kimberly is building an empire. She currently owns three businesses and has plans to own even more in her portfolio of investments during her entrepreneurship journey. Kimberly and I talked about what it meant for her to get started as an entrepreneur at age 14, and how she translated those experiences into the Corporate world, how she'd been leveraged her Corporate experience in order to build her own businesses in a more strategic way.
And then towards the latter part of our conversation, we discussed how she has built a life that revolves around travel, great food, good company, and helping people live their best lives as entrepreneurs outside of the US. And so the three companies that Kimberly owned are Magnum Opus Consulting, which is focused on technology consulting and support and training. The Global Gastronome, which is a travel agency that focuses on luxury international food and wine tours. And finally, Ms. Kim's World in which she advises people who actually want to become global expatriates or global entrepreneurs helping them figure out how they want to live their best lives outside of the US. You should join us for a great conversation where you can learn more about how you can start building your own empire and leveraging all the experiences that you may have, whether they be in full-time entrepreneurship, in the Corporate world, or based in both of those. So join us for a great conversation. Let's go.
Welcome Thrivers to this week's episode of Women Thriving in Business. My guest today is Dr. Kimberly West, who is the CEO of Magnum Opus Holdings. So welcome, Kimberly.
Kimberly West: Thank you so much, and good morning. Thank you for having me.
Nikki Rogers: I'm so glad to have you here. We have been working to get this schedule so I'm so excited for us to finally have the chance to talk. So Kimberly, tell us about your business or your businesses, and what actually motivated or inspired you to get started on your entrepreneurial journey.
Kimberly West: Well, I am, as you just said, the CEO of Magnum Opus Holdings. And it is a holding company that I started to house all of my businesses. So the first one is Magnum Opus Consulting, which is my IT Consulting Firm. I've been a Microsoft engineer for over 20 years, and I made the move from being an engineer to being a business owner and supplying other engineers with employment and contracts, and things like that. The second is Global Gastronome, which is my passion project. I am a huge foodie. I love to cook. I've owned restaurants before, so I wanted to take my love of travel and my love of great food and wine and put it together in an incredible experience for people. And that is how I created Global Gastronome. And then the final business is Ms. Kim's World, which is my coaching arm of Global Gastronome as well as Magnum Opus. So in Ms. Kim's World, I coach CEOs, entrepreneurs, small businesses, and other coaches on how to use technology. The latest technology to streamline, grow, and scale their businesses. So those are the three businesses under the umbrella of Magnum Opus Holdings.
I started my entrepreneurial journey at a very, very early age. My dad was an entrepreneur. So growing up, it was something that was spoken about at the dinner table. I watched him start and grow his business. In fact, I am his business partner in our family business, which is a business he started the year that I was born. So I am his partner and about to take over ownership of that business as well. But I started my very first business at the age of 14 when I would do little publishing projects and desktop publishing for small businesses. So I would help people create brochures and little business cards for their businesses. It did pretty well for quite some time so I got it organically.
Nikki Rogers: I love that. And I think it is so important that people are exposed to entrepreneurship early and see the benefits of being an entrepreneur. So when you think back to your earliest memories of being an entrepreneur, what were some of the things that either your father imparted to you or that you saw as things that were attractive to go into business for yourself?
Kimberly West: To me, entrepreneurship represented freedom. And that's what I saw from all of the entrepreneurs that I knew. My father, in addition to having his own business and being an entrepreneur, was also a university professor. So he supplemented his income that way. In fact, he wound up making more money in his entrepreneurial pursuits than in his university pursuits which is what bought the house that I grew up in and afforded us the type of lifestyle that we had.
Entrepreneurship was the true way to self-actualization in the United States. For me, it meant freedom. I was exposed to a lot of entrepreneurs at a very early age, both in Mount Vernon, New York, which is where I grew up and in Manhattan, where I spent a lot of time with my dad at school. He was a professor at Baruch College, and then later Howard. So it was just freedom to do what you want, to call your own shots, and the ability to control your own life and not be beholden to someone else's nine to five or someone else's expectations. And also, it was a way to make yourself rich instead of making someone else rich or living out someone else's dream.
Nikki Rogers: I love that. And Mount Vernon has the nickname of money-earning.
Kimberly West: Money earning Mount Vernon, that is right. We clocked some dollars up in Mount Vernon.
Nikki Rogers: I love it. So I know you went off to a university and you actually went into corporate America. So can you talk to us a bit about your path through corporate America and how you, I guess, came back to your entrepreneurial roots after a time spent in the corporate world?
Kimberly West: Okay. One of the things that I recognized early on is that you can go to university and you can get all this great textbook knowledge. But you need somewhere to apply it. The greater proving ground than some of these large corporations, Fortune 500s or Fortune 1000s if you will. So I've always had my own side gig even when I was working in corporate America. But it was an opportunity for me to learn about corporate politics. It was an opportunity to take what I had learned in university about finance, about business management, and apply it in a real-world situation. And learn those real-world lessons so that I could take those lessons back to my own business and be able to grow the business from there. So that was the biggest reason why I went into corporate. And I would do little corporate stints for a couple of years, and then I would come back and work my own business full-time. And then I might do it again a couple of years and then come back.
I would have been fortunate enough to work for some of the largest corporations in the world. I've worked for Microsoft. I've done work for the Bank of America. I've even done some consulting and some other things for the Department of Commerce here in the United States. But always taking the lessons learned. It was always a strategic choice to work in Corporate America and take those lessons and bring them back, not only to my own business but also to my community. I mentor people, I coach people. And it's one thing to read a book and coach someone and tell them what is possible. It's absolutely a different level when you can have the experience and you can show people as opposed to just telling them.
Nikki Rogers: I think that's great. Definitely, you leveraged your time in Corporate America and in support of your entrepreneurial pursuits. So I think that's a great perspective on how to leverage. For those of you all who are like, you can't wait to leave your nine to five thinking of it as an investment, really, in your dreams, so to speak. I think that changes your perspective and puts a bit more intentionality behind that time that you may be feeling like it's drudgery, right?
Kimberly West: Think of it as a game. Think of it almost as a Game of Thrones, as an acquisition of some conquest. You are there to get certain knowledge, you're there to get certain experience, and you're there to take that back and to make yourself greater, to make your business greater. And that helps to take some of the drudgeries out because believe me, I've worked for some companies. I absolutely hated working for some of these companies. But I always had that mindset that, okay, I'm going to do this for a set period of time, but I'm taking this back. I'm making it mine, and I'm going to use it no matter how nasty and evil some of these people may be.
Nikki Rogers: I love the Game of Thrones analogy. Just like, take what you can in…
Kimberly West: Exactly, winter is coming. Take it all.
Nikki Rogers: I love that. That's probably a game to that.
Kimberly West: You know what, we need to talk about that corporate training game. Oh, that would be interesting.
Nikki Rogers: Make it out alive and intact. So switching gears a bit. Talk to us about Global Gastronome and how you got engaged with the restaurant business going from technology to the restaurant business, and how that has contributed to a number of your life experiences really?
Kimberly West: Food. Everybody in my family cooks. We're a family of cooks. We just appreciate good food. It doesn't matter if it's coming from a five-star restaurant or a hole-in-the-wall rib joint. Good food is everywhere. And one of the entrepreneurial pursuits that my father wound up getting involved in is that we used to own, along with our partners, but we used to own 15 Mrs. Winner’s Fried Chicken Restaurants here in Atlanta, Georgia particularly during the Olympics, which was a beautiful thing. And prior to that, I had in college, done some work in fast-food restaurants. When you're in school, you've got to have a job or something. I had worked in fast-food restaurants and worked as a bartender. And hospitality, that end of hospitality is something that I've always been interested in even though I wound up going to business school instead. But that, and somewhere in me, I've always wanted to own a hotel.
So the whole hospitality industry has always been there for me. My mom used to throw these incredible dinner parties, these lavish dinner parties, and I watched her entertain and how she would really just nurture her guests and how everybody had a good time. The business side of me loved that. The hospitality side of me loved that, plus I was very blessed to be able to travel a great deal as a young person. And that travel spanned all the way up into adulthood. In fact, I think right now I'm up to about 60 or 61 countries that I've been to. So Global Gastronome was the manifestation of my love of food, my love of being in the hospitality industry. I used to own a restaurant here in Grant Park in Atlanta, Georgia. It was called the Eclectic Soul, and I had two partners in that. It was a great experience, being able to feed people and make people happy. That was the thing for me. Just making people happy and they're enjoying the food and the drinks, and just creating that atmosphere.
So I took my love of hospitality, took my love of food and wine, took my love of travel. And I just really asked myself one day, if I could do anything in this world to get paid, what would I do? And it would be travel and eat. So I said, okay, I want to get paid to travel and eat. And that is how I grew. That's how I created Global Gastronome. And we have done some incredible experiences. We've done castles in Europe and done masquerade balls. We have done stints in Bali where we've done incredible cooking classes. We've done Thailand where we've done immersive cooking classes. We've made sushi in Tokyo. We've made braai in South Africa. And we've done the whole, the entire South African wine country. We provide some incredible experiences. These are really bucket list items that you're not going to find anywhere else.
And the thing that sets us apart from any other travel company that specializes in food and wine or just culinary travel, is that when you come with us, it's hands-on. So you're going to get at least one hands-on cooking course with someone's grandmother. So it's not going to be that commercialized stuff. We're diving into the authentic cuisine of the country. And in addition to that, when you get home, we ship you a box. And that box contains the exact spices, the exact cooking implements, the pots, the pans, the spatulas, whatever it is that was specialized in that country that we use to make the food. We ship it to you, because sometimes you can't find this stuff in the United States, and you want to recreate that experience at home. So that's the biggest difference between us and all of the other culinary tour companies in the world.
Nikki Rogers: It sounds like your passion really drove the Global Gastronome business. And then also your heart, your love for the culture and the people that are preparing the food and probably have prepared this food for generations. So that really comes through in how you talk about that part of your business.
Kimberly West: Yes, and we connect with the people. We have some real connections. I have people that I met 10, 15 years ago on some of these travels. I brought Global Gastronome to, and they remembered. And it's just like family when you walk in. And it teaches you that we intrinsically, people are exactly the same no matter where you go. We all want happy, healthy lives. We want happy, healthy children. And we just want to live out a comfortable existence on this planet.
Nikki Rogers: Yes, definitely. We're more alike than we are different.
Kimberly West: Absolutely. We really, really are.
Nikki Rogers: Yes, and I love the fact that you're giving people these awesome and luxurious opportunities. But also, really connecting to the culture of the spaces that you're visiting. So love that love that.
Kimberly West: Thank you, thank you.
Nikki Rogers: So Kim, as you think about, you've been in business for quite a while. There in various iterations of what would you say are some of the biggest challenges that you've faced during your time as a business owner?
Kimberly West: I would say starting with the technology business. Particularly when I started my technology businesses and started working in technology, it was the, I'm going to date myself, but it was the eighties, the 1980s. And let's face it, there were not a lot of women in technology, to begin with, even in the eighties. And there were even fewer black women in technology. So navigating through being one of the few was probably one of the more difficult parts of my career. I was frequently mistaken for clerical staff when I was actually the project lead. Getting white men to take you seriously as a technical lead back then, and even sometimes now, was one of the more difficult things in my career. Another difficult thing that plagues a lot of our businesses, African American businesses, is that access, to capital access to certain types of opportunities and access to the power halls in the United States, no matter what industry you're in is something that was a little bit difficult. And let's face it, through my parents, we were relatively well-connected, and I still had difficulty.
So imagine had I not had that opportunity or didn't have that particular entree. One of the things that I really wished for our businesses is that we're more cognizant of our numbers, that we're more cognizant of setting up Standard Operating Procedures and operating as a business. I mentioned, lack of access to capital. One of the reasons that so many black businesses lost out on the PPP loans is that we didn't have our stuff together. We didn't have the right paperwork. We hadn't filed the right taxes. We didn't have this. We didn't have that. And I want to see that change, but that's a whole other soap box. And that's part of what I helped to coach people on. But those are the big ones. They have access to capital, access to power halls, being taken seriously in your profession, sometimes because you may not be the gender or the color that everyone is expecting. Those are the big ones. It exists also in the restaurant industry as well.
Nikki Rogers: And what were some of the things that you did in order to overcome those challenges? How were you able to overcome those challenges and still be successful?
Kimberly West: We've all heard this. You've got to be twice as good. And what I made sure of was that, not only was I well-educated but I also had the experience. And I would insinuate myself into situations. I will push my way into a situation if I feel that it's going to benefit my career or my business. Making sure also that I knew more and was better than the people who were around me. So late nights up studying, reading journals, reading textbooks, practicing, that's another thing. Practice, practice whatever your profession is so that you are the absolute best. Interesting. One of the questions that you asked on your questionnaire was what's my favorite book. And my favorite book is Why Should White Guys Have All The Fun? by Reginald Lewis. And for those who do not know, Reginald Lewis was a black man who actually engineered one of the largest leveraged buyouts, offshore buyouts, of a multinational country in the world. He was the first one to do it. And the way that he lived his life, the way that he studied his opponent, the way that he studied the subject matter of what he was attacking, what he was going after at the time, he was absolutely relentless. And if any, if you have a chance to read the book, go read the book. Get the audiobook, whichever you want to do. But it's a lesson in how to be excellent at what you do, and how to rise above your circumstance, how to rise above your gender, how to rise above your perceived color, and just really be the best that you can be at what you do.
Nikki Rogers: Yes, I think his story is inspirational, motivational, and can be transformational. If I remember my history correctly, he purchased Beatrice Foods, and that's the buyout that Kim is talking about. And it was history-making in business that period, but even more so for an African-American man at that time. So definitely a story and a book that you all should check out. So, when you think about your time in business, what have been some of the accomplishments that you're most proud of?
Kimberly West: I am most proud of some of my accomplishments at Microsoft. I was one of the first people to get their hands on SharePoint, which is now has morphed into so many different things. I was part of the team that was rolling out SharePoint innovations to Microsoft partners back in 2003. But even before that, I had gotten my hands on SharePoint and was working with it, and just watching it grow and create this entire ecosystem. And now morphed into what Microsoft is built around it, the Microsoft 365 platform. I'm most proud of my accomplishments in being one of the people to usher in that entire platform and bring it to the world. Another accomplishment that I am most proud of is one of my clients, a transportation company in the Southeast. Their board of directors had a process where they grant contracts, but in order to grant a contract, it took a lot of paperwork, a lot of wrangling, and it was done by “sneaker net”, which means people were walking pieces of paper all over the office. And to get a contract awarded could take anywhere from 12 to 36 months. And by using SharePoint and actually the Office 365 platform, my team and I were able to take that process down to 150 days. So now, contracts were getting awarded a lot faster. People were getting paid a lot faster, which cashflow is king. So that was a major accomplishment as well. And then being able to mentor and nurture other entrepreneurs is one of my greatest joys other than food and travel. But being able to pass it on to other people as well as the next generation, I have nieces and nephews now. And my oldest niece is an entrepreneur in her own right. My oldest nephew is also an entrepreneur. We're talking about 15. She's 15, he is 13. My youngest niece is building computers and she's not even 10 years old yet. My youngest nephew, we don't know exactly what he's going to do yet because he's about six. We call him the absent-minded professor. So we'll see what he winds up doing. Those have been my greatest joys. And particularly, passing it on to other people because we've got to teach each other.
Nikki Rogers: Yes, definitely. It is that each one, teach one. It is that, once you learn something, teach it to someone else and pass it on so that knowledge doesn't die with you. So we definitely can't get out of here without talking about the centerpiece of Ms. Kim's World. In which you help entrepreneurs live their lives outside of the US. So can you talk to us about all the places that you've lived currently, and what it's like being an ex-pat entrepreneur in some of the most beautiful places in the world?
Kimberly West: Oh, wow. Entrepreneurship is what gave me the gift of being an ex-pat. Because I'm able to have that kind of freedom, and I said earlier that to me, entrepreneurship was freedom because I have that ability to be free and to go where I want, how I want, and when I want. That is what has allowed me to live outside the United States. So far, I have lived in England, I have lived in Thailand and I currently live in Mexico, in Playa Del Carmen. But I have to tell you, I was one of the first people there. It wasn't part of that wave that just like everybody just started coming to Playa Del Carmen in the last 18 months or so. And just like, Playa Del Carmen is Atlanta, basically. There's another...
Nikki Rogers: Southern Atlanta.
Kimberly West: It really is Atlanta South, it really is. And having been to over 60 countries, London has its own lifestyle and it's beautiful and rainy at the same time. Thailand, which was in Phuket, has another whole lifestyle. It's that beach lifestyle. It's that laid-backness. And it's just a kinder, gentler life and much less expensive as well. I tell you that. Mexico is a mix of the two, it's like you can have the high life and the fastness if you want to go up to Cancun, or you want to go out to Mexico City. But I'm a beach bum. I am a beachhead. I live six blocks from the beach now. Some of the most beautiful places I've been right before COVID locked us down, my husband and I were in Bali. I was speaking at a mastermind, and we spent a week in Bali, and a couple of days in Korea as well. And that was one of the most magical trips that I have ever taken. Not only because of the location and how beautiful it was, we were in Changgu, Bali, but also because of the person I was with, and our synergy, the energy. So other places, the most beautiful places on earth, Turks and Caicos. There are parts of Turks and Caicos that are otherworldly. There are parts of Iceland that will make you cry. They are so beautiful. Iceland doesn't even look like the earth when you first land. On your way from the airport into Reykjavik, it looks like a lunar landing with strange green growths out there. But they've got great hot springs. As the wine country in South Africa is just bucolic, and just taking a loaf of bread and some good cheese and a good bottle of wine and sitting amongst the vines. Just listening to life happen. And then you have the champagne region in France and the castles. I find beauty everywhere I go.
Nikki Rogers: So we have listeners who were imagining an ex-pat life. What are some things that people need to consider or think about as they maybe have this dream in mind, what are some of the things they need to consider or think about that will actually make it closer to reality?
Kimberly West: The first thing is that realize that the United States is the United States. Leave it behind. Be open to new experiences, be open to new cultures, new ways of thinking, new ways of acting. For instance, when I was in China and I'm from New York and New Yorkers, we have to have a certain amount of personal space otherwise there's a problem. But in China and other countries in Asia, there's no concept of personal space at all. So having to adjust, and even when you're visiting, having to adjust to cultural changes, keep your mind open and don't expect it to be the same way it is back home. And that goes for culture, that goes for food, that goes for everything. Just keep your mind open. Something else that you really have to think about is how are the people around you going to respond when you decide, or when you tell them that you are looking to either ex-pat or even be digital? No matter, be gone for a couple of months in a different country. Very often, people are afraid of what they have not experienced or what they don't know. So very often, you will find people who are not the most supportive. If you decide that you want to even just consider something like this. And the other thing is that research your locations. Certain locations basically help you live a certain type of lifestyle. If you want fast-paced and you'll want different types of culture, London is a good choice. If you want laid back, if you want beaches, there are thousands of places that you can go. But make sure you research it well, and that you researched the finances of that area because you want to be able to live comfortably. You research the visa requirements because you can only stay a certain amount of time in each country. And research your employment. So if you have a job and you're a remote worker, you think, oh, I can just pick up and go wherever I want. No, you actually cannot. There are some laws that you really need to be aware of and some tenants probably from your employer that you have to consider. Those are the biggest ones you have to watch out for. That was a great journey.
Nikki Rogers: I love that. Just to recap those around being open-minded, being aware that everyone around you may not be on board with you exploring. So just be ready, and I guess, resolved to do what you feel called to do. And then exploring the rules and regulations around how you can work and live. So I think those are excellent tips, whether you're moving out of the country or across the country. So I think those are great things that everyone should think about as they're looking to explore and expand. So Kim, how can people find you if they're interested in learning more about your journey as a CEO or any one of your specific businesses?
Kimberly West: I am so easy to find. Just look for Kimberly West. On all social media platforms, I'm actually @mskimsworld. And that's on Facebook, that's on Pinterest, that's on Instagram, YouTube. You name it. It's the same no matter where you are. Even on TikTok. I don't think I have anything on TikTok yet though, but it's mskimsworld on all social media platforms. And from there, you can see what the current offerings are, where I possibly am in the world because I've got a lot of travel and a lot of exposure coming up, and what's going on in the masterminds and everything else that I'm doing.
Nikki Rogers: Great. Thank you, Kim. So you answered one of my two thriving questions which is your favorite book being Why Should White Guys Have All The Fun. But another question I like to ask every guest is, what are one or two songs that are on your power playlist and why?
Kimberly West: God In Me by Mary Mary. That's got to be a popular one. That is on my playlist. There's a few of them, there's Happy also because I love to work out to it, and just the beat will get you up and moving. Fighter by Christina Aguilera, because some days you got to get up and you're just fighting. But my absolute favorite song in the world is As by Stevie Wonder. And if you really listen to the lyrics, read the lyrics, they're so beautiful. They're so positive. They're talking about the unconditional love of each other and just all the things that until the stars drop into the sea, until the day that I am you and you are me. That's how long and how strong I'm going to love you. So it's all about love.
Nikki Rogers: Well, that is a great point to end on. So thank you, Kimberly. I appreciate your time today. It's been great talking with you and learning about how to build an empire. That's what I feel like I've gotten that, a mini masterclass on building an empire. So I just really appreciate your time today and looking forward to all the great things that you have coming up.
Kimberly West: Yes, and thank you so much for having me. I appreciate your time as well. And I am so grateful to have been on your podcast.
Nikki Rogers: All right. Great. Take care.
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