"No one is born hating another person because of the color of his skin, or his background, or his religion. People learn to hate, and if they can learn to hate, they can be taught to love for love comes more naturally to the human heart than its opposite.”
- Nelson Mandela
The call to fight and act extinguish racism is still an ongoing process, and we need more awareness and discussion about it if we want to open more opportunities to eliminate racial discrimination and injustice. And although we still have a long way to go, having an earnest desire to help can create a huge impact in the world we are living in.
In this episode, we are joined by Charlotte Caples, CEO and Racial Equity Strategist for Charlotte Caples Consulting, LLC and we will learn about her journey and experiences on racism and how she took the opportunity to start the change.
We’ll also discuss individual and institutional racism, the fight for racial equity, and what it means to be intentionally anti-racist.
Charlotte shares her unintentional, yet destined, transition to full-time entrepreneurship and how she had to build her business mindset to charge for her services and build a team to truly create a lasting impact. Her story will inspire you to step out of your comfort zone, speak up, and pursue your purpose.
Remember that by standing up for your beliefs and principles, having the best intention at heart, everything is possible.
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Get to Know the Guest:
Charlotte Caples is the CEO and Racial Equity Strategist for Charlotte Caples Consulting, LLC where she helps leaders get over their fears of talking about racism, develop their voice about racial equity, own their power, and transform systems that negatively impact them. She believes that outcomes should not be predictable by race and that peace, power, and prosperity are everyone’s birthright.
Charlotte’s leadership development coaching system has helped more than 5000 leaders begin to live authentically, feel more confident, courageous, grounded, and purposeful about their journey to transform racism.
Connect with Charlotte:
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"No one is born hating another person because of the color of his skin, or his background, or his religion. People learn to hate, and if they can learn to hate, they can be taught to love for love comes more naturally to the human heart than its opposite.”
- Nelson Mandela
The call to fight and act extinguish racism is still an ongoing process, and we need more awareness and discussion about it if we want to open more opportunities to eliminate racial discrimination and injustice. And although we still have a long way to go, having an earnest desire to help can create a huge impact in the world we are living in.
In this episode, we are joined by Charlotte Caples, CEO and Racial Equity Strategist for Charlotte Caples Consulting, LLC and we will learn about her journey and experiences on racism and how she took the opportunity to start the change.
We’ll also discuss individual and institutional racism, the fight for racial equity, and what it means to be intentionally anti-racist.
Charlotte shares her unintentional, yet destined, transition to full-time entrepreneurship and how she had to build her business mindset to charge for her services and build a team to truly create a lasting impact. Her story will inspire you to step out of your comfort zone, speak up, and pursue your purpose.
Remember that by standing up for your beliefs and principles, having the best intention at heart, everything is possible.
Thriving Points:
Get to Know the Guest:
Charlotte Caples is the CEO and Racial Equity Strategist for Charlotte Caples Consulting, LLC where she helps leaders get over their fears of talking about racism, develop their voice about racial equity, own their power, and transform systems that negatively impact them. She believes that outcomes should not be predictable by race and that peace, power, and prosperity are everyone’s birthright.
Charlotte’s leadership development coaching system has helped more than 5000 leaders begin to live authentically, feel more confident, courageous, grounded, and purposeful about their journey to transform racism.
Connect with Charlotte:
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Welcome Thrivers to this week's episode of Women Thriving in Business Podcast. My guest today is Charlotte Caples who is the CEO of Racial Equity Strategists for Charlotte Caples Consulting where she helps leaders get over their fears of talking about racism, develop their voice about racial equity, own their power, and transform systems that negatively impact them.
Charlotte has spearheaded transformational change within mental health, juvenile justice, education, county, and state government, and the nonprofit and private sector, as well in partnership with local communities.
Charlotte holds in Master's Degree in Counseling Psychology and has over 12 years of experience working in Juvenile Justice, and 20 plus years in consulting, and is currently a Ph.D. Candidate in Industrial and Organizational Psychology where her dissertation research is focused on the impact of training on institutional racism.
Today, Charlotte and I have a candid conversation about racial equity and anti-racism, and how she has been able to successfully build a business doing what she loves while standing on her principles and values. Charlotte shares how intentionally building her business and developing a team of like-hearted humans is helping her to create a legacy that will impact not only her community but the world.
So tune in and listen to this great conversation that I share with Charlotte today. Let's go.
Welcome Thrivers to this week's episode of Women Thriving in Business Podcast. My guest today is Charlotte Caples who is the CEO and Racial Equity Strategist for Charlotte Caples Consulting. Welcome, Charlotte.
Charlotte Caples: Greetings. How are you?
Nikki Rogers: I'm doing great. I'm so happy to have you on the podcast. I know we have a lot to talk about, so let's get right into it.
So Charlotte, tell us about your business and then what inspired you to start your entrepreneurial journey?
Charlotte Caples: Nikki, I did not decide to start an entrepreneurial journey. I guess I've always had a business on the side. Let me just tell you, I've been talking about race and racism since I was two years old. The baby in the shopping cart literally called me the "N" word. My parents took me home.
My parents took me home and had my first talk with me. They told me I was beautiful, and that my chocolate skin was gorgeous. They told me I was smart. They told me I could be anything I wanted to be, and the world is not fair.
And they told me I had a responsibility to not just speak up for myself but for everybody else anytime I saw any type of injustice and wrongdoing. So that works perfectly when you're in your parents' world, and they're your overseer, your caregiver, they've got your back. Well, moving into the workplace, not always welcomed.
I worked in Juvenile Justice as a therapist, mental health therapist. I worked in a detention setting, and from the day that I had my interview, I knew that I was a diversity hire. One of my coworkers told me how they had passed around my application, how they had passed around my resume, they had dissected my name, my schools. Everything, to see if I was going to be black. They had a white therapist, and they had a Latina therapist. They didn't even consider indigenous and Asian therapists, but they knew they needed a black therapist.
And truth be told, I'm not even mad about that part, I appreciate them stepping outside of the box trying to find someone who looked like the children that were in detention services to serve them so that they could relate, be more comfortable. That was great. It was when I began to speak up about the way the children were being handled, if you will, or treated.
And that's where my struggle began. Within organizations trying to be a good fit. It was hard being in those spaces because not only did the students and the youth talked to me, but so did the employees. Doing individual therapy was going to take me a long time to fix what I knew was an organizational problem.
I was promoted through, I excel through always had a business on the side. I always had contracts on the side. I always did counseling. I always did some organizational development work on the side, but intentionally moved into organizational development work because I knew that it was going to take some true transformation to fix the problems that I knew the youth were experiencing, and not just the youth but even I as an employee because I hated to go to work. I literally would sit in my office sometimes and wait for five o'clock. I felt like I was dying from the inside out, just being in an environment that was so toxic.
One day I decided that I'm not doing this anymore. I am speaking my truth. You just going to have to deal with me. This is what my parents taught me. This is what I know, and I know that I know, but I also went to get some help. I actually participated in some anti-racist training, at the recommendation of one of my colleagues. And in that training, I was like: I am not crazy.
Within my organization, I had been made to feel like I was crazy and losing my mind. I can tell you Nikki, one month to the date of that training, I was fired from the Juvenile Justice System. It didn't happen that day because there's a process of defaming your character, isolating you, organizations will make you look like the culprit that caused it all, and they'll stack evidence trying to corner you.
Even with all of that, even with attorneys and even the doctors are saying that you have a case you need to sue. I refused to for one reason and one reason only, and that's because the leader of the organization was another black woman, and I understood how institutional racism was impacting me and her, and I did not want to be one to perpetuate that for anybody else.
So it was knowing my story, knowing my experience that actually began my entrepreneurial journey. People just started requesting me to do training, to come in and help re-org and transform the way things were going, employee relations type things. I used to do DEI training in my 12 years in Juvenile Justice, I did all of the stuff that everybody was doing. But moving into my own business, I became intentionally anti-racist.
Nikki Rogers: Thank you for sharing that Charlotte. So what year was it when you took that anti-racist training?
Charlotte Caples: 2010. May 10, 2010.
Nikki Rogers: You're on your anniversary right now, 11 years.
Charlotte Caples: Nothing happens by happenstance. It was meant to be.
Nikki Rogers: Exactly. So when you went to that training, was that really for you to deal with the trauma that you were experiencing in the workplace? Or were you seeking new ways to impact your workplace? Were you like, oh, I want to make this place better, or was this in response to you trying to heal yourself?
Charlotte Caples: I definitely wanted to make the place better, but I promise you, I really didn't know. I was just looking for any answers. I understood racism. I didn't even know that I didn't know the intricacies of how institutional racism works though, how our systems were built to serve white people. They were built by white people for white people historically, and that's just the history of systems within the United States today. It is what it is, and a lot of times we say our systems and institutions are broken because we know there are racial disparities. We know that disproportionality is there, but truthfully they are doing exactly what they were designed to do, to serve white people well.
When we fought, bled, and died to be a part of them, we didn't change the design. We didn't change the policies. We just went in and integrate it, so we say. But truthfully, they're still functioning and producing the same outcomes that they were designed to produce.
Nikki Rogers: And so it's interesting to think about that idea that they're not broken, that they are operating as designed, and that systems are systems by design, create repeatable results, predictable results. I think part of this is a recognition that the results were saying that the impact on the world is predictable. So when you have a predictable result, that's a function of well-operating, a well-functioning system.
Charlotte Caples: You are so right, and when we say racial equity, we really just mean that outcomes cannot be predicted by race because right now we can predict by your race, how well you will do in any system, in any institution.
Nikki Rogers: So I do want to get back to the business side, but want to explore that statement you just made. What do you say to folks who say, yes it's somewhat predictable by race, but look at XYZ person who has been able to attain greatness, whatever that means? College education, millionaire status, elected office, whatever it may be, C-suite level in the organization. We don't have a problem here. So what do you say to someone who says there are people who are not constrained or their achievements are not predicated on their race?
Charlotte Caples: I have a dear friend and a colleague in Louisiana who says that you can always find one rose petal in a cesspool. That visual, it never leaves me, but what we're talking about is positional power.
Yes, even I in systems and institutions were promoted, I was promoted to levels where I was doing well. Even I still experienced the same institution, and the greatest example of that is, I think of President Obama. The fact that he was in the highest seat in the nation yet he still could not speak his truth because he was expected to uphold the standards of the office.
And we take shots at him for not getting into office and working the good for people of color and people that look like him, but truthfully, he couldn't because it was simply a position of power. The moment you stepped outside of the functioning, the organizational culture, the white organizational culture of our systems and institutions, systems and institutions will put you in your place. They will either promote you or they will fire you.
Nikki Rogers: Thank you for sharing that. I think that's often a refrain that's heard, so thank you for sharing your perspective on that.
Charlotte Caples: Nikki, let me just say that DEI is not the same as anti-racism. There's a lot of focus on diversity, equity, and inclusion, and we can talk all day about diversity, equity, and inclusion and never address racism because we never are intentional about it, so we absolutely have to focus on racism.
Knowing that focusing on one helps all, we've all heard a rising tide lifts all boats. Quite frankly, there's a lot of white people within systems and institutions that are not doing well. The way racism is set up is they will vote against their own best interest just because we drank the Kool-Aid, if you will, about what racism really means, but we've all been bamboozled, we've all been hoodwinked. It doesn't serve us well.
Nikki Rogers: It's interesting you say that because I was reading an article about Ruby Bridges, and we've all seen the iconic imagery. Honestly, I didn't know the rest of the story. It's actually what she's talking about, I think she has a book that's coming out this month, and as a six-year-old, she went into this building. She goes to school and honestly, she says that she grew up in New Orleans, and she thought it was like a parade like it was Mardi Gras, it was a celebration because she saw these people. Not realizing what's going on, and she's now looking at a picture of her six-year-old self going into space and she said she was actually terrified for her six-year-old self, because she did not recognize the symbolism and what was going on and what people were saying.
What I didn't know is that all of the white parents pulled their children out of school. So she was the only child in school, so if you think about how this impacts everyone. By her going to that school, there was only one teacher that would teach her. Everyone else pulls their children out of school, so then this group of kids doesn't get to go to school.
Charlotte Caples: Right, exactly.
Nikki Rogers: It was in reaction to her in that school, now you pull all your kids out of school and like who's being served by that. I was really struck by that as a prime example of how everyone is damaged and hurt when racism comes into play.
Charlotte Caples: Yes. If you think about the majority of people who are poor in this country, the largest number of poor people by far are white people. So when we talk about health disparities, of course, when we do it by race, we can see how white is on top and black is on the bottom. But the truth of the matter is there are millions of people in this country who don't have adequate healthcare, who don't get the services that they need. And it's simply because white is a construct. It is something that people buy into, not quite understanding how race is supported by classism and how even classism is supported by religious oppression.
You've got to understand all of that history and to even get to what it means in this country. It's a hard thing. Nobody in this country was born white. It's something that they became as people immigrated to this country. They had to give up who they were in order to buy into the construct of whiteness, and it was all very intentionally and very deliberately designed even classism and gender-ism. If we look legally, all of that stuff is built into the way we built our nation. We got to know what was done to us in order to undo it. And so when I say that I intentionally and very strategically focused on racism, it's not without the mindset that there are other -isms, I'm a black woman.
Absolutely, I experienced gender oppression. It's compounded by my race. It's always a race and conversation, and we've got to do that particular work to get at the concept of anti-blackness even in this country. I can be in a top position within an organization. It doesn't mean my humanity is honored. I have to show up in whiteness in order to maintain that position of power.
Nikki Rogers: Wow, and I think that point about humanity. To me, this is about humanity. It's about us seeing each other as human and treating each other as such. And so, think the terminology or how you name it or whatever the term du jour is, really it comes back and it's rooted in humanity. Like do you see the human in me?
Charlotte Caples: The interesting thing about that is so many people focus on seeing the humanity in black people because quite frankly, we were never treated. We are not treated as if we are human. I can say I'm a human all day long, that doesn't mean systems and institutions treat me as such. In fact, I now know why my grandmother put on her Sunday best to go to the doctor so that she could be valued when she stepped in there and hopefully treated in a humane way. It's sad that 40-60 years later, I still have the same experience that my grandmother had.
But the truth of the matter is white people have been dehumanized as well, and a lot of times we see white people working in our communities, non-profits, and our communities eating, socializing, cultural experiences in our communities because their community is lacking. And so, what does it mean for you to not be working on my humanity, but to actually be working on yours as a white person? Then and only then do I consider you as a co-conspirator in the anti-racist work.
You can't come and work in my neighborhood on my behalf when you're not willing to do your own work in your own community and in your own families. That's hypocrisy. A lot of times people want the label of the ally, but you can't be a friend if you're not willing to do the work for yourself.
Nikki Rogers: You are dropping gems, Charlotte. Lots to think about, lots to digest and I think you are really inviting people in. I have lots of friends who are in the DEI space and lots of friends who were in the coaching space, in the therapy space, in the New Dawn, and all that. And so it's this idea of calling folks in versus calling them out. I think we have to figure out how to work on this together because we live here together. We're on this planet together.
Charlotte Caples: I'll say though, there's some work that we need to do separate and apart before we can truly do the multi-racial, multi-cultural work together. There is some stuff that people of color, black people, and other people of color need to set aside in a room and get off our chest out of our spirits to just talk about and disrupt. One, recognize what's happening and what has happened, and disrupt when we see things happening and begin that healing process separately and apart because the truth of the matter is if we did it in the presence of white people or with our white colleagues, then systems and institutions could hold that information against us. And at the same time, white people need to go sit together and talk to each other about the messages they've received, their histories within their families, their pains and as I like to say, white pathology, you don't use that terminology often, I know.
But there's white pathology that white people need to understand what has happened to them as well, separate and apart from people of color. Because I promise you, there's some stuff that I can hear my white counterparts talk about and they're really speaking their pain and their truth, but it's not for me to hear because then I get retraumatized in that process.
And so space for white people to recognize, to disrupt, and to heal, and I'm talking about things that white people do to white people. All need to be worked out as well. That healing process began, and then we come together in that multi-racial, multi-cultural, even multi-generational space to create something very intentional and to be strategic about how we navigate.
Nikki Rogers: You talked about not necessarily intentionally starting on your entrepreneurial journey but the opportunities that came to you. In that process of transitioning to a business owner, entrepreneur, CEO, what were some of the challenges that arose as you were making that transition?
Charlotte Caples: For me, it's really about having a business mindset because I love what I do. I will do it all day long. I have done it all day long for free. Quite frankly still, just being in spaces where you can learn and grow and say: Wait, what's that about, say that word again?
Nikki Rogers: So with that, how have you overcome that challenge? Like switching to that as much as you want to give and serve and support and see this impact the world, what has helped you either, who do you go to for advice? Or what has helped you move into that business mindset, and really asking for your value when you want to have this impact in the world?
Charlotte Caples: One fellow consultant saying if you do one more thing for free. Literally, people holding me accountable, saying stop it, because not only are you giving away your services for free, but organizations don't think that they should have a budget to pay for racial equity. They don't put the money behind it when you're willing to do it for free.
So surrounding myself with people who want to hold me accountable, but who are willing to share information, I've gone through my fair share number of coaches. And for me, that's a challenge because a lot of coaches are grounded in white organizational culture techniques. I know that I cannot use those techniques to build my business and truly stand authentic in anti-racism. It's been difficult because as I listened to what's being done or what's being offered to help build my business, I then have to apply anti-racist principles to it to say that when I'm teaching someone else to do this thing, can they say, oh, but you be it?
And so I have to hold myself accountable to stick to my beliefs and stick to my principles, the things that people know me for because the moment they know me to do some stuff that doesn't match what I teach, it's over for me. I will tell you that I have a group of anti-racist professionals across the world that I meet with weekly. We literally just flesh out whatever we're dealing with from an anti-racist principles standpoint. So, whether that's me showing up to a large-scale corporation to do some transformational work and totally feeling like an imposter, I'm not supposed to be here because my blackness says, you should not be here.
And these people are not going to listen to you and feeling like, I want to just click off this zoom call and cancel everything for the day. It's real. Just because I'm going through teaching anti-racism, it doesn't mean that it doesn't show up and impact me as well. I'm on my journey just as I invite other people to be on their journey.
So just being intentional about building my business and putting those systems in place, so that my business can still function when I'm not present. It's hard because I want to be, I want to be present, but you have to just step away and hopefully have trained and built other people up so that they can carry out activities when you're not present.
Nikki Rogers: Yes. I think that multiplies your impact, and starts to build your legacy. I think it's creating branches on a tree or actually establishing roots. So you're growing and nurturing things, and then they're going to go off and they're going to create their own tree, your own plant, and so I think particularly as black women owners, it's challenging. When you're like, I can do everything. Yes, you can do everything.
That's going to lead to burnout and you can only impact a certain realm. They have the goodness in bringing in a team and helping to train others is that they go out and actually spread your message, and do more good out in the world. And I heard you say two things: one is around, I call it the posse. The posse that says yes, you can and yes, you will even if you don't think you can.
I love the fact that that is key and important to you. I think the other thing is around being clear about what you need. What do you need in order to do the work that you need to do? Your idea of having this group of people that you're meeting with weekly, which sounds like a mastermind is where you all are coming together and saying, how can we do the work that we want to do? So I love that.
As you think about your business, what has been the accomplishment that you're most proud of?
Charlotte Caples: Sometimes people walk away from conversations and they are in denial or they're angry because it just challenges everything that they know, have ever known, have ever been taught. To have that person come back and say, I was really mad at you for what you said, and I know you don't care. That's the other thing they say because for me, "My truth is my truth." You receive how you need to, I'm not going to not speak my truth just because you're challenged by it. In fact, let's both lean into why you're challenged by it, and oftentimes I'm saying, is it because I'm a dark-skinned black woman saying something to you that you've never had a dark-skinned black woman say to you before?
In the tone of voice that I want to say it in without fixing my face or fixing my voice or fixing anything about myself, but just speak my truth about how I feel, and to have that person recognized that they were on their journey because the anger, the denial is a part of the journey. It's a part of the process, it's to be expected. But for them to realize how they were showing up and come back and say, I get it now. That's probably one of the rewarding things for me to see them on their journey, the aha moments, the struggle. We struggle, but we're going to struggle together through this. I'm with you, and just like my network that I meet with, it is a network. I don't throw people away.
I do tell people I will put you on a shelf. I don't mean it, but I don't throw people away. I believe there is value in you. And so, no matter where you are on your journey, know that where you are doesn't outweigh where I am. But then being able to come back and work through all of that and still be at the table together, I think that's rewarding for me.
Nikki Rogers: Great. What would be some words of advice that you would give to people of color who are navigating the world that we live in? I don't ask that to ask how can people of color fix the world, but more of how can we navigate these spaces maintaining our sanity, maintaining our peace of mind to some extent, or creating space for that? What are some tips that you can give?
Charlotte Caples: The one that comes up for me is to trust your guts. Your body will talk to you and tell you, yes we have shut our guts down, that internal instinct that we have, that's about survival. A lot of times we're in our head about stuff. We're reading books, we're studying, we're listening to a podcast and trying to learn more. But the truth of the matter is, we've got to move from our head. We've got to feel what's going on, but more than that, we've got to get back to trusting our gut. And I think that was the thing that saved me in juvenile justice. I knew that I knew that what I was feeling was not right. Being able to speak my feelings about how I was being impacted is the thing that challenged people for sure, but it was the thing that gave me peace because I wasn't going to allow people to continue to treat me in a way that didn't serve me well. Getting back to trusting our gut and speaking our truth, I do say you need to be strategic because I can tell you what got me fired. What I said that got me fired and who I said it to that got me fired, but trust your gut and just be strategic about how you speak your truth. But speak your truth and surround yourself with a network of people who are there to support you, who are also on their racial equity journey, who believe what you believe, who are centered around anti-racist principles. If you're with people who are using the word anti-racist but they don't have a set of principles to support the work that they're doing or what they're saying, then they're not true. If I tell you I'm a Christian, you will expect that I studied the Bible. I try to live by the Bible. There are guiding principles, and so surround yourself with people who are on the same journey that you are.
That might've been more than what you asked for?
Nikki Rogers: No, that was exactly what I asked for exactly what we needed. I think I know the answer to this question, but looking back on that period when you let go from your job, do you regret speaking up?
Charlotte Caples: Absolutely not. Absolutely not. I knew that I knew. I knew what was going on, but now I had language. What made me dangerous was that I used that language. I wasn't just speaking from my feelings or, I was very strategic in saying the words, internalized racial superiority. No, I don't regret it. And in fact, Nikki, I had been for knows how long? You talk to your friends at lunch or on break, I'd say, I'm going to quit. I'm going to quit. And they'd go, you're not going to quit. You don't even have another job to go to. Even my parents say you don't quit your good government job.
And I told myself, they're not making me quit. I want to leave. If I'm not doing what I'm supposed to be doing, then just move me. Be careful with what you ask the Lord to do because he'll just do it, and He doesn’t ask you about it. So, it was really confirmation for me that I wasn't supposed to be there. I'll say it would have taken me some time to actually walk away from my good government job as my parents say, but they moved me.
I called my mom on the way. I wasn't in the office, they call me back to the office. When I called my mom, I told her, I'm about to quit. And I got that whole, don't you quit thing, and I text her. Signing papers. I texted her. Her reply was, amen. I just started laughing and the director of HR said what's funny, and I just read the text messages and she was like, oh. I'm like, yes, I'm good. You all did what I couldn't do.
Nikki Rogers: So Charlotte, one last question. I ask all my guests, what are some songs that are on their power playlist? If you could share one or two songs that are on your power playlist and why?
Charlotte Caples: The one song that comes to mind for me is Unstoppable by Koryn Hawthorne, I believe it is her name. What's meant for me is meant for me, and there's nothing anybody else can do about it.
Nikki Rogers: I love it. That's one of the songs on my playlist.
Charlotte Caples: I might have to borrow your playlist.
Nikki Rogers: Sure, sure, definitely. I will share that with you. So Charlotte, how can folks connect with you if they want to learn more or just share their thoughts about our talk today?
Charlotte Caples: Wonderful. I love it. You can be reached at charlottecaples.com. In fact, I invite all of your guests if they want to have a complimentary consultation with me, that's available for them to sign up on my website at charlottecaples.com, and my phone (833) 372-2476.
And I'm going to say this, Nikki. I've never said it before, but my phone number is actually 1833-F-RACISM, so easy to remember.
Nikki Rogers: So folks will know what they're signing up for when they call you.
Charlotte Caples: I don't bite my tongue. In fact, I used to tell my grandmother, I can't wait till I get old, so I can say what I want to. And then I'm like, well, what am I waiting for now?
Nikki Rogers: I love it, Charlotte, it has been so much fun talking with you today. We will share your information in the show notes. But thank you so much for being a guest.
Charlotte Caples: Thank you for having me, Nikki. I've so enjoyed it and I do appreciate you for having me.
Nikki Rogers: Great. Thank you. Take care.
Charlotte Caples: Thanks to you as well.
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